CHIEF Akin Osuntokun was Managing Director of the News
Agency of Nigeria and Political Adviser to former President Olusegun
Obasanjo. In this interview, he opines that unbundling of the federal
government through restructuring will address the problems besieging the
country. He also bares his mind on the corruption allegations leveled
against the Secretary to the Government of the Federation as well as
grazing reserves for herdsmen. Excerpts:
The President Buhari administration
has been combating corruption but critics opine that the administration
has made it its sole agenda. Do you share the same view?
Logically, that cannot be the case. There is national
security, the economy is there and so many other governmental concerns.
So, logically the government cannot do that. Maybe people are using it
to excuse the incapacity or lack of attention of governance in other
areas. It appears the government is trying to politicize it’s functional
incapacity by reducing a holistic problem to the sing song of
corruption is fighting back. Even in the fight against corruption, I
don’t think that government has succeeded very well. There are a lot of
problematic issues that are begging for answers.
Now I admit the share of the former PDP government
culpability but to reduce everything to a one size fits all argument is
self-serving. Prior to this government and to the extent that governance
ultimately stopped at the table of the former PDP government, it should
be held accountable for whatever took place under its watch.
The fight against corruption is questionable when it seems
as if it is only been applied selectively. There is that clear
impression and to a large extent the correct interpretation that the
government itself is not removing the log in its own eye before seeking
to remove the beam in other people’s eye. As you have said, it will be
an unfortunate simplistic reduction for any government, at the federal
or state level, to adopt a posture that gives the impression that
governance tantamount only fighting corruption. Anti-corruption should
be a priority of the government but so are many other areas of
governance. Akin OsuntokunWhat is your take on the controversy surrounding
corrupt allegations leveled against the Secretary to the Government of
the Federation?
Well, the case of the SGF seems self-evident. You don’t need
to look deeper to come to a conclusion one way or the other as to the
culpability or implication of the SGF in what transpired. There are
issues about the company of the SGF being given contracts to do one
thing or the other and the defense was that he resigned from the
company a year ago; but that has been alleged as not being true.
Even if that were to be the case, it is still suspicious
that a company that he owns and he has association with, the company is a
major beneficiary of the contract. So, that is a fairly well
established case.
Even before that, there were the cases against the Minister
of Interior and the Chief of Army Staff. It may be the case that at the
end of the day they will be found innocent of allegations against them
but to just ignore it like that as if nothing has happened is worrisome.
Some people came out with allegations and even backed it up
with documents and these people are there as if nothing has happened.
You cannot just ignore these kind of things. If you say that
anti-corruption is a priority agenda then those kinds of situation and
the signals that you give matter a lot. It is not good for you to look
the other way as if nothing has happened. So, these are issues that are
worrisome that you begin to doubt the sincerity of what the government
is saying as distinct from what it is doing.
When Chief Obasanjo was president, there was this
controversy over the privatisation and sale of federal government
houses. It was discovered that, whether through omission or
commission, there was a cloud of suspicion surrounding the sale of one
or two properties to his relatives. Immediately, Obasanjo took the step
of firing the minister of housing. At the end of the day, it may be that
the minister was innocent, but these are the kind of sacrifices you
need to make to establish sufficient credibility for whatever it is you
are doing. That is my take on the issue. The Federal government has attributed corruption as
being responsible for the recession in the country. Do you agree with
this position?
You can draw a causal relationship between corruption and
governance crisis but it amounts to trivialisation to reduce
contemporary Nigeria economic recession to corruption. Globally, all
economies go through cycles of recession and recovery regardless of even
best efforts. In Nigeria there are other causal factors that have
little or nothing to do with the quality of governance. They also made
the claim that the previous administrations did not make any savings, I
think that is not entirely true and it is a self-serving argument.
First, it is not true that the previous government made no
savings. I recall that it was the savings from the NLNG that President
Buhari used for the so called bail out of state governments. What do you
call that? This government met the surplus there because the previous
government chose the option of saving it. Of course, there is the
Sovereign Wealth Fund and the excess crude oil account. The utility of
Nigeria governance, for me, transcends the undoubtedly beneficial
culture of saving. What matters more is the public perception of
government as being responsive in providing services to the public with
the little you have.
In any case, given the magnitude of the challenge we have
in, for instance, infrastructural deficit, you have to spend. The
argument is not about spending, it is about what was done with what was
available and whether it was judiciously applied or not.
The habit of scapegoating previous governments going on two
years of assumption of office is a tenuous logic and, frankly, it is not
helpful to the government and the Nigerian public. More questionable is
the capacity and competence of the present government itself to grapple
with the situation in which we found ourselves. But another argument of the Buhari administration is
that it is not responsible for the current situation Nigeria has found
itself?
That is dereliction of duty because you have been in
government for over a year and the half now, and you made some
statements and pledges on how to move the country forward. Now, if you
are telling us that you made those statements or pledge in ignorance,
that is a reflection of incapacity or incompetence. No serious
government or aspiring government commits to promises and pledges
without being adequately informed. So, I don’t see any purpose it serves
other than distraction or inability to accept the burden and
responsibility of governance.
Former President Obasanjo said that we knew things were bad,
that is why we elected you to fix it and stop the blame game. Was it
corruption that accounted for the last budget where different versions
were floating around? Was that the previous government that did that?
Was it the former government that appointed the SGF and other appointees
that cannot withstand public scrutiny? These things are not helping the
government neither is it helping the people. If you are to advise the Buhari govern,net, what steps should be taken to bring Nigeria out of the woods?
One thing that the government and everybody seem to get
wrong is the belief that there is something wrong and abnormal in a
country experiencing recession. It is human and absolutely normal to go
through the cycles of life and existence beginning with the primal cycle
of life and death. Ultimately it is how you are able to grapple with
that challenge that matters. It is not something that you seek escapism
from. As Nigeria is, the problem is deeper than to be seen strictly from
the economic perspective. You have to look at it comprehensively.
Under the present structure, the federal government is
encumbered with so many responsibilities and functions than it can
effectively discharge and that are at variance with the fundamental
constitutional aspiration of true and functional federalism. In so
doing, the federal government has become a cog in the wheel of the
growth and progress of Nigeria.
Structurally and functionally, the country is presently
bound to a vicious cycle of political crisis and economic instability –
one feeding the other. Many of the issues we are having now can be
addressed with commitment to decentralisation and devolution of powers.
In simple terms: restructuring of the country?
Of course, that has been my position. But you know the
position of the President on the issue. For him, he has dismissed the
2014 recommendations of the National Conference and that it is only good
for the archives. It is becoming clearer to me by the day that our
options are limited to restructuring or the clearly untenable
alternative of dictatorship. As it is, it is like we are thrashing
around in the dark. We have a situation where state governments cannot
fulfil the basic responsibility of paying salaries. There is total
illogicality about the constitutional structure of the country. Vast
majority of the states are technically bankrupt. So, until you resolve
these kinds of abnormalities, we are not getting anywhere. Until Nigeria
grapples with its constitutional structure, we are not going anywhere;
the federal government has to be unbundled. Herdsmen crisis?
I don’t see why it is the responsibility of the federal
government to take a decision that amounts to an imposition on the state
government and indeed the substantial majority of the Nigerian public.
It is liable to being interpreted as discrimination and partiality – it
may not be the case but when there is an imposition from the federal
government, all sorts of interpretation are given to it.
The issue could have been handled differently and that is to
encourage a free will and voluntary resolution. At any rate how do
countries that have the same environment like the far north address the
sustenance of its cattle animal farming. Suppose Southern Nigeria is a
different country from the North, how would this problem get resolved?
Are we saying these people will keep invading another country? There
are examples of countries in West Africa that have similar eco system as
the north, what have they done to address the issue of grazing?
Why not limit the grazing reserve to areas that have no
issues with cattle rearing and collaborate with such accommodating local
public in providing adequate pasture rather than coercing people to
submit to imposition? Leave it to the free will of the people. Allow
each state government to decide whether they want grazing reserves or
not. Cattle-farming is an economic activity that has the potential to
impact positively on local economies – this is how it should be managed
and promoted. Seasonal Fulani farmers come annually from far flung
places to engage in fadama farming on a tiny portion of my farmland at
Okemesi – for roughly five months. The farmland is fadama compliant on
account of being crossed by a tributary of river osun. The occupation is
so profitable that they pay me upwards of N250000 each year; which I,
in turn, donate to the community and so I look forward to hosting them
every year.
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